Posting Confusion.

[imported_Tanja]

Tanja and Greg:

There is a lot of truth in what Greg said.  Whether something is in the 'photoshop' zone or not...?  All I know is that colors have an emotional 'feeling-tone' in them.  I guess a balance has to be struck.  It seems that photography got a bad rap when someone decided that 'if you want it real, take a picture.'  In those days painters were given a hard time for not being 'realistic.'  I think it was the impressionists who said something to the effect, 'take a picture' if you want real, we do art.' 

Why should a photographer care whether it was 'photoshopped?'  So its not 'real?'  What's real?  I went to a photographic exhibit in a local museum, some of those photos were quite unreal.  They showed some Andy Warhol Polaroids. Definitely not 'photoshopped.'  If it wasn't Andy Warhol, you'd think the person just didn't feel like spending money on better equipment.

The photos were scratchy, some were out of focus and just plain 'weird.'  But I thought they were great.

Absolutly right! A photograph hasn't to be real.
But in my opinion, an artist has to know as much as he/she can about color, perspective, all picture rules like "golden cut" (direct translation, don't know the english word), techniques, etc.
Our skills are the border for our expression.
The great impressionists are surly able to paint an realistic picture too. But they don't wanted. And so open a totally different viewing. In their time they are called "wilds".  Now great artists.
A "no go" paint outside then, today totally normal.

Greetings, Tanja

[imported_Tanja]

Hi Dan,

me again  ;)

That's a great way to record (? hopefully the right word) an image by own emotions and set themself in the part of somebody in the picture. Special the second one is very interesting, but we always in a picture too, which we create. If we want or not  ;)

I don't open your correction in ps for checking colors or something and only follow your emotinal way.
When I open a good remembering in mind, it's always a soft picture. Not blurred, but harmonized.
Don't know what pictures you remember from the past. Maybe it is exactly as in your picture.
For me it's looking to hard for a nice remembering. But only my opinion and don't mean nothing. Just wanna let you know for feedback.

Greetings, Tanja

[imported_Tanja]

Dan, here is the link for the technichal-problem-thread:
http://www.curvemeister.com/forum/index.php/topic,3843.0.html

Greetings, Tanja

[ggroess]

... To me this picture is like going back to a child's experience of a carrousel.  That little kid in the photo is really having a good time.  I think from her point of view, the movement and colors must be very impressive.  If I could I would like to make the colors very bright and smear them the way a child might see them on a carrousel ride.  Motion and color all mixed up.

I took your Idea and ran a bit with it...Nice way to relate to the image and I hope you are not offended I did this.

re: Art
To me art is a creation or construction that evokes an emotion.  It need not be happy or sad...sometimes it's nasty and others angelic.  My point about controlling the color is not intended as an expression of art.  Rather think of it as an extension of understanding the tools.  To me the best art occurs when you know your tools so well that you can just play and not worry about the results because you trust your control and skill to make your vision a reality. 

There is a famous quote about a sculptor saying that he did not create a statue he simply removed all the stone that was not the statue.  it's kind of like that.  It's not overstated color; it is stated well and what is necessary is left as needed.

I hope my vision of the scene you described inspires you.

Greg

[imported_Tanja]

To me the best art occurs when you know your tools so well that you can just play and not worry about the results because you trust your control and skill to make your vision a reality. 

Perfect! Couldn't say better.
Mabe you have to think about that "I'm no writer", Greg.

[ggroess]

Maybe...lol
Greg

[Daniel Zuck]

Greg:

That focus blur of the photo was great because it evoked motion and color simultaneously, a feeling a person in motion coupled with the visual. 

I also agree with what you said, "To me the best art occurs when you know your tools so well that you can just play and not worry about the results because you trust your control and skill to make your vision a reality."  That's why I took this course. 

Tanja said the same thing "Our skills are the border for our expression."  Wonderful way of putting it.

Tanja, thanks for the technical thread.

One question Greg.  How do I move the picture in CM to the left a bit so the curves are not over the workspace?  That would be a great help to me if I could figure that out. 

thanks everyone

dan

[ggroess]

The Curves window slides back and forth.  If you place your mouse over the left edge of the curves window you should get a double headed arrow.  Left click and drag it to the right. 

The image stays centered in the image window but you can zoom and pan within the window as needed.

Greg